User talk:Cryptic-waveform

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Cleanup categories[edit]

Hi Cryptic-waveform, I'm rather confused by your decision to empty Category:Files from Salem State Archives needing cleanup and remove larger numbers of files from Category:Causeway Street Elevated etc photos for cleanup by Pi.1415926535. These files require a large degree of cleanup including useful filenames, descriptions, multiple categories, correction of dates, and other curation. The large notice on the top of the category explicitly lays out what needs to be done before removing the files from the cleanup category. You appear to have added a single content category to each image without any other curation.

Additionally, the categories subtitled "for cleanup by Pi.1415926535" are specifically intended for my personal use. I use them for large uploads of GLAM files that will take me a while to properly curate, and that require an extra level of research when curating. The Boston Elevated Railway collection from the City of Boston Archives tends to be scant on description (and occasionally have location and date errors), so those files need to be individually examined to determine the exact subject, circumstances (many document certain construction projects or incidents), and so on. I don't want to gatekeep, but this requires both specific knowledge and access to certain print sources to do this properly. While you clearly have an above-average knowledge of the old elevated lines, you still made a number of categorization errors. Files that you added to Category:North Station (Charlestown Elevated) included separate stations in the same complex, files that should be in the construction subcategory, and a separate station a mile away.

I request that you add these photos back to the cleanup categories so that they are probably tagged for additional curation. If you are not able to individually check the files for categorization errors as I noted above, it would also be best for you to remove the content categories you added. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. Thanks for reaching out. Since you're unhappy with the level of cleanup I've done so far, I will add the pictures back to the cleanup categories. Since they will be back in there, I won't remove categories I've added so far since you will eventually go back and correct the few mistakes I may have made. The majority of the categorization work I've done still stands. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 19:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've restored all pictures to both cleanup categories. I'll double-check the categorization based on the detailed feedback you gave. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 19:24, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for re-adding the cleanup categories. For reference, I have previously made the categories subtitled "for cleanup by Pi.1415926535" not be hidden categories so that the files are not automatically tagged as uncategorized. When the files have been tagged as uncategorized, users without specific knowledge of the system tend to add incorrect categories. This creates more work for me to cleanup without any benefit for users.
I appreciate you double-checking the categories. In the future, it's better not to add content categories if you're not 100% sure about them. It's more difficult for me to pick out the miscategorized files than it is for me to simply categorize them when I curate them. I understand that you'd like to have as many files as possible categorized, but these files won't be very useful to users until they're curated with detailed descriptions. It's a strange case where an archive has a large number of extremely specific files about extremely specific subjects - but relatively poor documentation.
Two questions about what you've been doing with BadzilBot:
  • When correcting the dates, would you be able to wrap them in {{Taken on}} so that the relevant date category is automatically added?
  • I'm unsure about the value of adding the link to the item on the City of Boston Archives website. Normally I'd be all for it, but the website has less information than the flickr page and doesn't actually show the image.
Best, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure I'm fully onboard with the philosophy of not starting work unless you can do 100% of the work. Oftentimes I will add images to “Category:Trains” or “Category:Aircraft”. I don't have knowledge about these fields but I see this beginning of categorization as a message to other contributors to take these files and add correct field-specific categorization. This has worked pretty well so far.
Also I don't think that you should hide uncategorized files so that only you will pick them up in the future. It doesn't really help collaboration. I started working on these files because they have been uncategorized for ~3 years and I knew that I could start the categorization work even if I couldn't do it completely.
As for your 2 questions regarding BadzilBot:
  • Yes, I can add {{Taken on}} automatically. As you may have seen I've already fixed the dates on all files in Category:Boston Elevated Railway photographs, 9800.018 except for File:-Everett- (16510497062).jpg for which I was unable to find a date.
  • You're right that the link to the City of Boston Archives website does not add any information. However the information it provides is more easily used by machines and it's a solid indicator that the file originally comes from the City of Boston Archives. Otherwise we can only rely on matching different text in file descriptions ("City of Boston Archives", "Boston City Archives", flickr ID number, etc.). I started adding the link above the Flickr URL for one file but then decided to add it underneath the URL for the reasons that you've mentioned.
Cheers. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I do understand your points about collaboration. Because of the specificity of the subjects, where they are nearly nonsensical without context, I look at these categories as akin to a draft on Wikipedia: a holding area for things not yet ready for public visibility. (Note that I only add files I upload to these me-specific cleanup categories - I'm not going to hide files than someone else uploads.) When the files had {{Uncategorized}} on them, other users were typically adding unhelpful categories like Category:Trains or Category:United States. While your edits today were helpful and added specific categories that I can improve on, most past attempts at categorization didn't get close enough to be a beneficial change. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Re edits like this: please do not add EXIF time to dates that I have manually added. I'm not always great at manually updating my camera after daylight savings time changes and moving between time zones, so the hour of the EXIF is not always correct. I attempt to correct it before uploading, but am not always able to. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:26, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. I'll remove the times. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 17:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Check Category[edit]

I have gone through my Check Category list you created and await the cleanup of the correct ones so i can work on the remaining. Meanwhile, I have found the Category:Media needing category review by date and have found Category:Events in Kalamazoo Public Library has an enormous amount of "check Category" images. I have double checked to see if they are in the correct cat's and was wondering if there is a way to bulk delete the Check Cat the same as with the cat-a-lot program. It is taking forever to delete Check Cat as they are in the 100's?

Hi. I wouldn't recommend mass removing from the "Media needing category review" categories. Files and categories marked as such need human review and I don't think that we should be using automated systems to perform this action. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes I see your point but 10-13 year old photos have since been (most of them) put in correct categories and are just languishing there. I don't mind going through them tho. I went through my own that you put together and added and corrected many links. Thanks for the help. Photo Archives (talk) 17:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Art works" vs. Artworks[edit]

Hi, you just renamed category name from "artworks" to "art works". Unfortunately "art work" is an incorrect spelling of "artwork" [1], or refers to a type of labor [2]. Can you revert? Jarekt (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. The parent category is named "Art works" and the majority of categories within this category are titled with "Art works by". This is why I renamed the category in question. If you wish to rename all categories "Art works" to "Artworks" it probably warrants discussion. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 20:19, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

JWST[edit]

Hey there. Just wondering why you removed so many images from Category:Images of the James Webb Space Telescope. I understand putting them in location categories, but they shouldn't be removed from the Images tree. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:American Hillside Landscape .jpg[edit]

I don't know the source, but may I assume that your {{Dw no source since}} should be removed from this pre-1917 work (which was not correctly dated by the uploader). - Jmabel ! talk 23:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sounds good. I removed the banner. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 02:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Published on for UN Treaty Series[edit]

Thanks for Special:Diff/740866291 to auto-translate File:UN Treaty Series - vol 818.pdf. Before requesting this kind of edits to other volumes, I wonder why the edit automatically categorized it as on 1976-11-02. Maybe Template:Published on has an issue if only a year is used.--Jusjih (talk) 04:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indeed. Switching to using {{Date context}} corrects this. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 13:32, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks again. Is there any fast way to change to {{Date context}} or to add something like Category:Volume 818 publications to other volumes of the UN Treaty Series? Manually changing them takes too long.--Jusjih (talk) 05:04, 8 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure I understand what you want to do. Could you point me to a diff and I can see if I can automate the task with BadzilBot. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 05:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. Please see if a bot may do these repetitive act:
  1. Use {{Date context}} like Special:Diff/819149732 from File:UN Treaty Series - vol 401.pdf on.
  2. Create Category:Volume 821 publications, Category:Volume 822 publications, etc. like Special:Diff/817686594.
  3. Add Category:Volume 821 publications, Category:Volume 822 publications, etc. to File:UN Treaty Series - vol 821.pdf, File:UN Treaty Series - vol 822.pdf, etc. like Special:Diff/817688066.--Jusjih (talk) 04:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. The first task is pretty easy and I'm doing it now. For tasks 2 and 3 I'm not sure I'm not sure I'm understanding the reasoning behind it. Will most (all) of the categories have a single file in them? Cryptic-waveform (talk) 18:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. Most of the categories will have a single file in them. The reasoning behind tasks 2 and 3 is to keep in line with Volume 1 to 820 publications. If your bot cannot do either or both tasks, I will do them. Thanks again.--Jusjih (talk) 04:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not really onboard with creating dozens of categories containing only a single file, and probably never having another file added to them in the future. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 19:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Then please do the first task while noting that Volume 1242 and those published since 1995 have copyright notices. I will do tasks 2 and 3. Thanks so much for your answers.--Jusjih (talk) 02:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I replaced all instances of {{Published on}} and {{Published in}} I could find. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Photographs by A.Savin/Moscow[edit]

Hello,

before creating this and making mass bot edits like this, have you ever asked me for advice? Did you ask at all if I wish such edits, such a user category? Thanks. --A.Savin 10:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apologies. I got carried away. I can revert my changes and speedy delete the user category if you don't want it. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Comment It would be more helpful to run your bot for the Category:Photographs by A.Savin/Moscow and edit the files like this, this, and this, depending on which of the three user templates used. I've been planning such a run for a longer time, but didn't know which bot-owner better to ask, and nobody ever asked me for advice anyway... That means also, if you can't run the bot like this, then yes please, revert and delete the category. --A.Savin 16:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is something I can do. I'm not expecting to be able to get to this before Monday though. When I get to it, I'll do a small batch run, ask for you to double-check the changes, and run it on all the files. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 16:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes sure, thanks --A.Savin 16:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wrote the requirements as I understand them in User talk:Cryptic-waveform/A.Savin Moscow. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. Note that in case 1, the parameter should remain the same, for example if User:A.Savin/F|L=4 (Personality Rights) then User:A.Savin/2023|L=4. For all cases, the License section should be placed before categories. The "Category:Moscow photographs taken on ..." should be placed straight after the camera/lens categories, if possible. --A.Savin 11:23, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I ran my bot on the following files and had to adjust linebreaks:

Afterwards I adjusted my code and updated the following files which did not need manual modifications:

Can you check them and tell me if I need to make additional changes? Cryptic-waveform (talk) 16:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks OK, but please no linebreak between "User:A.Savin/2023" and "|L=...". Can you adjust it, and launch the bot for further 100 files? --A.Savin 10:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did an additional 33 files of each case. "savin" insource:/Category:Moscow photographs taken on / hastemplate:User:A.Savin/2023 Cryptic-waveform (talk) 12:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK all seems correct... --A.Savin 16:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great. I just finish running the bot for all files in "Moscow photographs taken on". Let me know if you'd like to upgrade your other files. It'd be easy since the code is already written and tested. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 18:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For several files, doubled categories were added, such as here [3], or [4] or many more. --A.Savin 21:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good catch. I'll work on cleaning this up. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 22:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I've checked and that seems fine.
If that is fixed too, I would suggest next to adjust all files that are still using the User:A.Savin/Photo-RUFOP template (full transclusions list). These are not photographs of Moscow, so I doubt there are many local "taken on" categories, except for Saint Petersburg maybe, but this does not make sense for small towns etc. So I would suggest, use the "Russia photographs taken on...", wherever there are subcats they might be adjusted later at some point. --A.Savin 00:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry to disturb, are you willing to continue? --A.Savin 12:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes! I'll prepare a small sample for review. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 12:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please see:

Cryptic-waveform (talk) 13:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes that looks quite good as is. Thanks, --A.Savin 21:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great. I'll start the process. I'm going to be away for Thanksgiving weekend so I'll likely have to continue next week. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 21:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This first part completed. Next week we could do the other 2 templates if you want. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, now I would like the files using A.Savin/Photo-DEFOP to be adjusted. Full list here, should be modified like this, note that "Country=Germany" has to be added too. --A.Savin 02:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Running now. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 05:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, looks fine. Next task is to take the Category:Photographs by A.Savin taken in 2006 and all files therein still using User:A.Savin/Photo template, and to modify like this, depending on country as noted. If that's successful, we can go step by step until 2015, so that the template is no longer used. --A.Savin 22:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Let me know if things look good and I'll do 2007 to 2015. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wondering about an edit of yours[edit]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Future_Jefferson_Memorial_Site,_DC,_1908_(4264118831).jpg&diff=prev&oldid=821777991: it would seem to me that, while I understand the ontological issue you are trying to address, Category:Historical images of the Jefferson Memorial is a good category for an image of the site of the memorial shortly before it was built. With that category removed, no category ties this image in any way to the Jefferson Memorial, which seems much more wrong to me than a slightly imperfect category. Do you have a different way you would rather relate this image to the Jefferson Memorial? Because it certainly should be related. - Jmabel ! talk 18:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for reaching out. "Because it certainly should be related." I'm not sure about this. Do we want all images of the future site of a monument to be categorized under the monument category? It's going to be a lot of photographs which are only thinly connect to the monument. In this particular case I just added Category:West Potomac Park which encompasses the site of the Jefferson Memorial. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 18:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"shortly before it was built" This picture is also from 1908, while the monument was built starting 1939. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 20:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Date fix[edit]

Hi Cw, could you please fix the date of your recently uploaded files like File:Eaddy - English(...) - NARA - 108642302 (page 1888).jpg. Currently a lot of them are now in Category:Pages using Complex date template with incorrect parameter. Thanks, --Arnd 🇺🇦 (talk) 05:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. Sure, but that'll have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry for the noise. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 05:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No prob. Just saw it. Thanks, --Arnd 🇺🇦 (talk) 16:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yep, just finished running the script to fix my mistake. Thank you for pointing it out. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About file: TATAFRIK.png[edit]

Hello,

I would like you to remove the banner on my image (TATAFRIK.PNG); although I put a copyright on my site because it is my property, the image is not concerned in anything because it is me even that published it on my real identity in license for Wiki media commons and I do not take pleasure on the royalties and the images that you asked for double authentications were made by the owners of the images. Please, in future, verify file before pointing Videke (talk) 17:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bonjour. Pardon, j'ai oublié d'enlever le bandeau lorsque j'ai fermé la discussion. Pour info je n'ai fait que convertir une demande de suppression rapide démarrée par un autre contributeur: Revision #822483991. En effet il me semblait assez clair que vous êtes le créateur de cette image et je voulais vous laisser du temps pour le prouver. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 17:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Champollion's Panthéon égyptien, pictures[edit]

Hello,

This file and many others from Champollion's Panthéon égyptien are not from raw-pixel, but from a book at Google.com. I extracted these pictures and reworked them with IrfanView. All pictures from raw-pixel have a pink background, while mine have a white background.

I ask you to remove the category you added on November 20, 2023 on all these files :


Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 12:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Salut. Effectivement c'est une erreur de ma part. Je ne vais pas pouvoir corriger ça avant lundi. Tu peux le faire si tu veux/peux. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 12:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
C'est corrigé. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 22:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merci. :-) Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 15:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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